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As to what to do with outdated boats and equipment–it seems to me that creating new classes for each type of boat that gets outdated could be pretty fragmenting. Do we really want a Vintage Star 45 class? Marbleheads of the 80’s class? Marbleheads of the 90’s class? Pre-Sterne US1Ms? Non-proportional winch class? The list can go on and on…
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Hi Roy - I can see this could become a very interesting topic for discussion and viewpoints…
unfortunately (or not) we are already faced with this prospect - boats that aren’t one-design, perfectly good for “someone” to sail, but virtually nothing out there in which to compete. In the case of the “M”'s for example, based on the current technology - and based on the Vintage Class - the 1970’s, 1980’s and much of the 1990’s are “Dead” since these nearly 30 years of model boat building have no where to participate. They are, in essence “garbage” and with exception of mantel, daysailing, or family heritage - have little value.
Maybe the Vintage Class needs to consider a number of years of historic presence, instead of a fixed year limit … example: boats at least 20 years old versus boat “built in 1970”. This would at least provide a moving timeline similar to historic cars, in that it addresses boats that are old, but still viable. I do not know as I write this post, but intend to find out, if the Vintage classes require building to be done - or just the age of the design. If it is building - then AMYA needs to remove a few sets of boat plans that are from within the 30 years of “outdated” designs from it’s “store”.
Now - I agree that it would be improbable to support a class of ten years duration, as there would be a new class every ten years, but on the same token, isn’t AMYA there for the promotion of all r/c sailing - and by simply ignoring a time period, those who have these older types of boats have nothing provided for them. A lot of time, work, effort and money went into the building of these boats, and what is left is only a conversation piece? I think many people would find such an investment as silly, and a waste of time and money.
Shouldn’t we ( AMYA members) be working towards preserving and providing a place for the old designs to continue racing? How many of the old designs were lost before the Vintage Group was formed? How many boats for the early 1950’s were trashed because they were outdated? Do we really NOT care about our model boat histories?
Interesting topic and one that perhaps needs further discussion. What are available options - and what are we to do with a boat that isn’t at the cutting edge of technology? I know you have a pretty significant investment in your Scalpel M - but when it does become obsolete in performance to a newer design - what are your plans? Will it be dismantled? If for sale who would purchase and why? Where do old boats go and what does one do with them when they are no longer the current design? Sure - some will wind up as club racers, but many don’t have the disposable income to move up on every technology change. “Don’t play in a class you can’t afford” is probably a suggestion - especially for development classes, but is that really the message we want to send to new owners?
Great topic - and I for one would like to explore further, what alternatives there are for the boats built, sailed and raced during the “lost years”.
To the readers: please offer your insights, opinions and views. What are your thoughts?
I just checked, and it appears that it is the design dateline - not actual construction that rules (at least) the Vintage M Class. I was not able to detect with my quick review, of any specific datelines - but rather it seems it is design characteristics which govern the VM Class (not limited to but most obvious is the type/design of the keel). Perhaps this does cover the issues and questions posed above. Maybe Earl Bobert can/will comment as he seems to have a handle on the “vintage” side of things. Earl ??? If you are out there? </font id=“blue”>