Stuart, the 3Rs, is that Reading, Riting a Racing?
Steve
Steve
The only Rs we are worried about is the ones we kick when challenged.
We have been cogitating. After due thought and much deliberation it is our considered opinion the Brat Boys will acquit themselves well at the next challenge.
I am still have trouble with the cannon mount being stable after multiple shots, but am working on it.
i’m glad you brought the colour thing up . I’ve got this red scare across my deck from my last visit.
(Port side of course) (Ha Ha you were lining up for a crack!) The blokes who have red boats swear vehemently that it ain’t them. So I’m going to blame the yellow boat. Why the yellow? it’s easier to bellow at yellow.
Now I’m, about to tell you that Hair-oil and me will be sailing Mfs next time at Balla… The order has gone in . Just the normal MF with the original keel, everything stock standard, for a reason??
So you are thinking if you go stock you may have a chance!!, That all we run here and we have so fast boats.
The 3R is a new class of yacht in development
Here are some links.
http://www20.brinkster.com/shermanyachts/index.html
http://www.ayerpuzzles.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi
Not my boat, as it’s still being made.
If you have time have a look.
Stuart
Well Stuart, you showed me the 3Rs.I must be upfront here. I’m sorry it is not my cup of tea. The boat looks like a 10 rater, balsa at that. I found the rules were not really tight enough. And lets face it, we need another class between Ms and 10s like we need a hole in the head.
The discription on putting epoxy on the hull was to say the least , primitive. I guess mate, I just don’t trust any thing that comes out of a workshop so bloody clean! Why would anyone say to you that the painting plastic sheet ,that they are covering the saw horse with was 3 mil thick, would a 4 mil be just as good?
I guess what I’m saying Stuart, is the prob with the Balla regatta is not in the boat but somewhere else. Don’t you think? And hence we’re going to use Maltese Falcon’s as standard as possible.
You may not know this Stuart but Ron Attard’s boat was that good . You guys are sailing it in the conditions it was built for.
Ha HA Stuart , we’re going down to WIN!
Steve
I’d love to see your workshop! if you have a chance, post a picture:mean:
And what exactly is wrong with a balsa glassed hull?
The class is not meant to fit between the Ms and 10s. The class is designed to be a less expensive and more transportable rating rule class.
Two good examples are:
- My one-piece 60 inch long carbon fiber mast cost me about $15 USD shipped to my front door, not $100- $200 you are going to pay for a one-piece M mast.
- A 3R will fit in a compact car with the seats folded down. Try and do that with a 2.2-2.4 meter long 10R mast.
I keep my shop clean, because I find it easier to do a good job, when I can find what I?m looking for.
I have received, emails asking questions like this before, hence the reason I included this bit of detail.
scuse me , I thought I was talking to Stuart. They’re called opinions. We in the free er World get to express them occasionaly. I suggest you gentlemen who dwell on words , should note the connontations of speech, occasionaly.
My workshop is , well … used. Not to put to finer point to it. Should I be worried with the Thought Police on my trail?
Balsa Boats. Well am I allowed to have an opinion here? Or do I have to toe the accepted company line?.. No, then I don’t like em’, because they make that particular sound as they get skittled down wind, I’ll will try to tell you the sound… GggZunk! As another one bites the watery dust. Still someone has to own em’?
I liked the 3Rs when it was riting, readun and rythum.
steve
Well guys I appoligize . Maybe I went a little overboard. It doesn’t matter what I thought . The whole thing is you have put time into it and you like it. And that is the most important thing.
As far as cheapness and that I can’t agree with. The effort is to cutting out frames, the building frame , the sections cut,the glue etc etc is to say the least is horrendous. If I was going to do it , it would not be like that but Hard chine is much much quicker and it gives a good performance on Stuart’s Lake. You know the reason it went out of favour in the states . Its history now.
Because it is quick to build doesn’t mean it is not quick as in performance as well. I suppose some would think if it is cheap it is slow in performance and that is their first mistake in evaluating hard chine.
Steve
Well Dan, I was just about to triple post till I remermbered my mate Wis.
This mast thing Dan has got to stop. The masts of to -day (even for an old sea dog like me) has changed Pard.
The masts are tapered Carbon that push together in the middle OR into three bits. Now you can have them for next to nothing (in comparison) from New Zealand, From ULTRALITE MAST and Tony O. He’s got a web page!! they are delivered in a little round post tube.
And this thing about your boat . Well Dan I put mine (M) in a small compact too, with all the rigs, with the keel on. So what is the actual point your making. Cars (automobiles) have a pretty standard cross measurement designed for taking Marbleheads exclusively. Now if yours fits in at 50"ers (across, with not bending the seats down)thats great. Thank Roy for that.
the 3 r is a good idea. the only thing I think was a mistake was NOT linking the 3r with its bigger brother. the 10r, the 10 problem was its size who has the room for a 10 foot mast in the car. the 3r mast is 6 feet and that will feet into a car. you can sail a 3r anywhere. building a plank on frame is easy . once you get going, you find it fun and easy. I have always planked my hulls. with using balsa. BUT i do paint mine. something seems wrong about have a hull look light brown. MY 3r has been drawn and will be built sometime this winter
cougar:evil:
I personally don?t care for multi-piece masts, because I have found that they don?t bend uniformly (basically because they are stiffer at the joints). I think you would need a min-van, or pick up truck to transport a 10R mast rigged with the main sail.
G’day Coug, Where have you been? Mate I have had 10 raters since 1972 and I have never seen any 10s with a ten foot mast. One could say it does not compute. You see shipmate the mast in the 10 rater is measured as part of the sail area. Now a quick calculation of a mast of a length of 120" X 1/2" means a hell of a lot of sail just wasted in the mast alone. All the boats that I see have about 2000 mm masts(to get inches divide 2000 by 25.4). Most Marbleheads that are used as 10 raters use there normal top rigs when sailing as 10 raters.Coug do they run 10raters as an official class in Canada?
So shipmate , what is the length of your 3R?
Dan, I must admit that I wasn’t a liker of them either till I sawthe Ultralites mast , he has it done so well that even you might have a look at his web page.
Wis , just to save another post. I could give you a shot of my workshop BUT I’ve just got through making a ‘Nerang’ vintage Marblehead (you didn’t hear this Nev). And I’ve got a few more other projects to go on with , including a refurbishing of an A class boat, Highlander from Priest (Circa 1956) thats about half way through. Fitting a radial jib boom fitting etc. Hope to be doing a Maltese Falcon soon as well. Seriously Wis, being a collector, I don’t show ANYBODY my workshop, you never know whose watching???
Steve
Off discussion Coug, I saw your bit on the twelves and I think you held your own quite well.
Steve - care to enlighten those of us who “don’t know” the reason they are out of favor?
Is this something like you are thinking of?
Still hanging on to a line set that I had…someday I might pull it out and try a “old” hard chine. What do ya think?
Looks good to me Dick.
steve
My 3r that i am building is 46 inch long and just over 6 inch wide. I am still working with the design as I was trying for a IACC style design. with a flat stern. but with alot of help. it came out to the deep part of the rocker panel forward of the center. this makes for alot of hull in the bow. AND i am not sure i like that, it may push alot of water and not cut though it. will start the hull in feb. but i will not go as far as dan did. I am not that much of a perfectionist. it will be balsa and fibreglass. but i dont think i will use matt. just the resin and balsa. this could be a wieght saving thing. the only area for matt would be inside round the fun trunk and rudder.
the 10r is a class that is raced in canada. just not that many of them due to there size. too damm big. that was the only reason i did not go there. the 3r sounds to me like the perfect idea. you have all the advantages of the 10r but in a smaller size. something you can fit into a car. without sticking the mast out the trunk and tying a red flag to the end of it
cougar
Well Coug , thats really interesting. I see your putting a lot of thought into it. I don’t know about the just resin and balsa, mate. Do you race in a lot of company? Might be good not to save weight if there is any risk in a fleet and have an enduring hull.
The thing that mystifies me some what is this boat is just 4 " less than the good old Marblehead. And you can run one of those with a 60" mast, that will fit in most compacts. Still Coug a project like the 3R keeps the grey matter turning over and that is the most important thing.
Off discussion Coug, I am reading Lexcen’s book and he was talking about a few other things that they liked about the Canadian Challenge , makes interesting reading.
Steve