J-Class versus 12Metre Class

Todd and Marc,
I do have open a new tread addressed to all Long Keels Designs that are not part of the America Cup History as is the case of this tread dedicated only to J Class and 12Meters.
Hope you will understand and take profit of this new tread that I will join soon.
My participation will be dealing with the Dragon plans since is a boat, the real one, that I personally know very well having restored it and raced for 5 years.
Cheers
ClaudioD

PS:
Todd, due to the scaling factor, it happen that the real JClass being 41mt long, have proportionally a lower height from the water when compared with 12Meters that are 21mt long.
Since the waves are not scaled proportionally, the J Class models may suffer more then the 12Meters when sailing with more wavelets conditions!

Here the ENDEAVOUR II of 1937 Files.
This Files refers to the modified Hull with a deeper Keel.

ClaudioD

This is the revised original ranger shapes.
The draft is increased as well the beam similarly as done for the Endeavour.
The achieved Displacement is 5980cm3 with a Ballast allocation of 4100g/4200g.
The Water plan suggest that close variation around the LWL, correspond to 1mm = 108g


ClaudioD

I’ve always had a thought that a good balanced hull will have a COA that’s as close as possible to symmetrical. Do these drawings of Ranger prove my thesis?

She looks beautiful - congratiulations Claudio!!

Regards,

Row

Hi Row,

what appears symmetrical it is not, it is sufficient to see where the LCB Dot is positioned. The most close to symmetry is the 43-900 curve with only LCB of -2.0%.

Each boat has is own COA and for me it is the “identification card” and telling all what it is needed to know. This is why my design are always including the COA curve. COA curve help me a lot when drawing the shadows and where corrections are required (fairing).

Here below some COA (Curve of Areas) examples :

Observing each graph, there is the LCB position marked by a dotted vertical line. In each COA the LCB is different.

Some curve look more “fat” indicating that the volumes are sprayed toward the Ends, some instead have the volume concentr-900 Curveated to the central part and this is revealed also by the Prismatic Coefficient calculated at the bottom of each graphic.
Close to 0.50 will indicate that the volume is centralized and toward 0.60 will indicate the opposite. A shoe box have a PC = 1.0.

In general as “Rule of Thumb”, Low PC range, 0.50 - 0.54, are dedicated to models navigating is calm waters low winds condition, 0.55 - 058, to medium conditions (all round) and over 0.58 for higher winds and multi hulls.

A graph also provide the relation between PC and Vr (relative speed).
This point is very interesting since our models will never go to surf /planning conditions and therefore the maximum achievable speed is around a coefficient of 1.2, in the scale from 0.2 to 3.5.
Coefficient of 1.0 is the equivalent to the critical speed of each boat. Coefficient of 2.0 is the begin of planning condition.

I will present some graphics another time, but are the ones that dictate all the times my design approaches.

Books reveal the LCB vs PC shall ‘obey’ to a certain curve. The “ideal” would be to keep the LCB close to -3.5% of the LWL.
The sign (-) indicate that the LCB is positioned behind the Shadows n° 5 when 10 shadows are used or referred to the Central Shadow in any case.

As conclusion the COA curve of the J’Class look rather symmetric and sharp and this is due to the effect of the long keel where most of the volumes are concentrated. The PC is also very low because of the COA curve shape, where the Central shadows have a very large surface due to the presence of keel. One should remove the keel and recalculate the volume and we will find out that the COA could become more similar to rounded hull equipped with Fin/Bulb and the PC raising around 0.55 or more.
The COA curve reveal also the water lines profiles.
You may notice the entrance of the water lines of the American Eagle that are rather fine compared to others and this is observable by deeper bent of the curve from shadows 2 to 0.

Another times we could discuss more about. It happen to write a book some years ago on the subject, unfortunately is in French and Italian since nothing was written on the Hull Drawing subject when compared to the reach literature available in English.

Actually I like first to finish the “job”, one boat is still missing and some shadows too.

Cheers
ClaudioD

PS:
Forgot, when observing the American Eagle curve it is also noted the LCB of -5.6%. This is due to the particular long keel toward the stern that induce a volume shift in the overall calculation and therefore also the LCB shift. Another peculiarity, for the educated observers, is the almost strait slope of the curve from shadow 7 to 10 when compared with the soft curve of the others.

Row if you are interested there are still some second hand antique copies of a very rare book:

http://www.abebooks.fr/rechercher-livre/titre/model-racing-yachts/auteur/priest/sortby/3/page-1/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Model-Racing-Yachts-Priest-Lewis/dp/B005LM7XQG
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B009VR68RC/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=all
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B009VR68RC/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=all
http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/86449181/Model_Racing_Yachts_By_B_H_Preist_J_A_Lewis.html (probably from Africa Zaire)

From there I started designing models myself. Printed in 1964. Auction prices seen some years ago up to 400$
ClaudioD

Claudio.
With your permission I would like to upload your files to other forums on the internet that talk about the M-Class
Specifically this one: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1592741&page=72

But other places that may help grow the class.

Your work is A+ Obviously I’d give full-credit where credit is seriously due.
And your name is on the plans as well. I’d love to help share your plans that you’ve so generously created and provided to us.

Your choice, really appreciate your work.

Hi Breakwater,
yes of course, more publicity is welcome !

Hope to manage to continue, because since this morning my Corel draw is not working very well, it refuse any saving of new drawings.
I’m busy with disk drive cleaning, hoping is not due to an eventual windows XP updating !!
Cheers
ClaudioD

Hi Claudio, I hope you have recovered from your XP hiccup, you know that windows XP is no longer being supported by MS, I feared loosing ability to use Corel5 for my plans but son is in I.T and convinced me to update to Windows 8 (latest MS OS) and I’m happy to report Corel5 runs not only faster but without any hiccups when saving large file size projects.

Row, the book Claudio recommends in above post is well worthwhile if you can get your hands on a copy, it helped me a lot in understanding hull design.

Cheers Alan

Actually I managed to run again, but some recent files of Ranger made yesterday are not opening, therefore I should draw them again. Fortunately the one presented above in PDF is OK.
Good new that it work on Win 8. The point is that I do not have it of course. I remember that worked with Vista.
Cheers
ClaudioD

Microsoft’s manner of doing business is to “Make damn sure it’s obsolete in 3-years” to force the consumer to purchase a new system.

Let’s face reality people.
Once a Marblehead, Always a Marblehead.
Once an Operating System, Always an Operating system…

Funny about this point is that because Claudio has been working with Corell draw for so long even though it’s supposedly “Obsolete” he can draw things vastly superior to anything anyone else can draw, while the rest of us are fussing about stupid updates.

There will always be a better version. As well there should be as we all develop better ways to do things. That’s not to say the old version is still not a different version of the same darn thing.

Claudio,

At thr moment I’ve only got internet access through my phone & I’m not overly confident of making online purchases using Android security systems - until I’m convinced otherwise I think I’ll stick to making purchases through my notebook/pc. Anyway, tomorrow I should be able to access web through trusted sources so I’ll purchase the book then - if it’s still available.
Many thanks for the information,

Regards

Row

Hi Breakwater,
very nice !
the point is that about Coreldraw 5 I also used ‘modern’ version, but I was facing more complicate things then what I was asking for and to be honest useless, but someone else, for money, asked to do it a new one version every year up to 12 or 13.
Version 5 is so simple why to complicate ? that’s how life go…
Someone invented 3D for the naval architect use, but their algorithm obey to another logic mind and for me are also useless.
The fact is that today with Coredraw 5 I can draw a 3 view plan of a complete sail model in less then half a day and I like it…! Let’s say hull design addict ? oh yes, with version 5, although getting crazy with some bug …heheh!!
BTW I do have in the corner a PC with Windows 3.1 just in case, as extreme remedy…
Cheers
ClaudioD

After some troubles with the CorelDraw5 and Windows XP, I finally completed the Range drawing with the modified keel and all Shadows single drawing in scale 1:1 ready for print. Shadow S6 is split in 2, Left and Right, to be printed separately on A4 format.
ClaudioD

PS:
In the .zip file the hull decoration is Blue and White while on previous post is White and Black as I suppose was the original colors as observed on pictures. The Blue hull seam pertaining to a recent restoration.

This is the complete file for the American Eagle modified with a shorter keel.
Shadows are scale 1:1 and ready for printing in A4 format. Some are split in Two part left and right to allow the full use of the A4 page. Remember that the A4 format is limited to 21cm of width without considering the printer margins if any. My experience with PDF reader print function, the full page is printable. Take care to adjust the printing scale to 100%.
Verify the printed dimensions on shadows.
ClaudioD

Claudio,

Just finished looking at the ‘Ranger’ files - absolutely beautiful, but then what should we expect?!!

Just one anomaly though. When I look at the full size shadows for frames 9 & 8 it would appear as if they include the rudder and are not finishing at the deadwood as one would expect for hull planking.

I’m not quite ‘tearing my hair out’, but could you confirm whether or not I’ve misread the drawings?

Cheers,

Row

Hi Row,
You have seen correctly, I have done by purpose to allow calculating the full displacement volume since the rudder is part off.
Cheers
ClaudioD

The Last Model Drawings for the AZZURRA 1983.
Pictures added to show details of Azzurra in 1983 as well the peculiarity of the skeg shape preceding the rudder. It will represent a planking difficulty because of the sharp volume variation !!
Some 20 years ago I made a small wooden model scaled 1/100, it may also show the particular skeg profile.
In spite of expectancy, the volume of Azzurra is the greatest with 6.37Kg. Interesting to see that under this condition the ballast can be as hight as 4.5kg and providing a ratio of 0.71.

All Azzurra Files ready

ClaudioD

PS, Hervé was notifying that one Azzurra Drawing “AZZ1270” was not at the correct scale but reduced to half. Printing error sorry.
Revised file inserted below.
CD

ALL Files at once here below.
So apparently I finished early then expected !!!

Note :
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1 - The Planking stripes are made with Samba/Obeche wood in 3x6m - this is providing a good and strong coverage without the risks of flexural effect during sanding.

2 - Generally the Bow tip as well the Stern are cut out from plain balsa

3 - The Ballast Plugs are not yet drawn. This work will be made soon.

4 - The Sail Plan is identical to all models when racing as Vintage Marblehead. It can be changed by copy the original plans when the models are racing or sailing independently .
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That’s all for now.

I do expect comments for any unwanted mistake or improvement.

I hope you are all enjoying with those 6 plans.

ClaudioD

Well, at my current rate of progress that lot should keep me busy for at least 20 years - never mind the CD 43 or for that matter the 123, or any of the AC 120’s !!!

Cheers,

Row